The Kind of Leader the World Needs Now – 81st Session of the UN General Assembly

All right, SDG Media Zone, day three. We have an amazing final conversation here on a topic that I think has been on everybody's minds. And every conversation that I've had with any individual the last three days has come around to this topic. And it is the kind of leader the world needs now. And of course, we're in the middle of the conversation around the kind of leader the United Nations needs now. So have this incredible group of UN leaders, former UN leaders, but importantly, including young voices as well in this conversation, which I think is essential because we're looking at where we're going to go in the world and in the United Nations. So with that, I am going to turn the floor over to our amazing moderator, Karina Gevargisov, the founder of Mission Magazine. Karina, over to you.

Thank you so much. Let me just get a little bit settled. One sec, please, everybody. Where are my notes? I'm taking a leaf out of the book from someone I saw yesterday was reading off their iPad. I thought I'd be more sustainable this way. I'm Karina Gavarkhsof, the founder of Mission Magazine, the first fashion philanthropic cultural platform. I started it after several tragedies in England. I used to be in the creative sector and after going through a personal situation, I kind of was led into the philanthropic world and led me to create mission where I support underrepresented voices in the youth. And it's the biggest privilege of my life to do that and champion these voices. The second biggest privilege is actually being here with these incredible people, these incredible leaders. present and future. Today the talk is about fostering intergenerational dialogue. It's on the leadership qualities needed to strengthen multilateralism and enable the United Nations to respond effectively to global challenges that we're facing today, serious global challenges. I'm incredibly honored and humbled to share the stage with Global Women Leaders Voices and to my left is Susana Malcorra, is the president and the co-founder. She's a former minister of foreign affairs and worship of Argentina, Argentina Republic and chief of staff of the Secretary General of the United Nations. So I need my iPad because these guys have such incredible titles. I can't remember these. And then on my left is co-founder as well, Helen Clark, a former Prime Minister of New Zealand, the first female Prime Minister of New Zealand, I'd like to add, and the former administrator of the United Nations Development Program. And then we also have Jen Hernandez, part of her Turn Youth program and a recent graduate of Center of Global Affairs and a recent fellow at the Global Network of Women Peacebuilders. And then next to Jen, we have Jocas Samuel. She's the policy and social innovator of Specialist Girls Move Academy. And then on my right, I'm looking at you. this incredible woman, but she is the UN Deputy Executive Director for Normative Support, UN System Coordination and Program Results, Naya Tsare Gombensvanda. It's a pleasure to meet you. And next to her, we have Yogachi Daniels, Deputy Director General Operations, IOM. Hello, lovely to meet you. And then we have as well, co-founder of Global Women Leaders Voices, We have Irina Bokova, former director general of UNESCO, former minister of foreign affairs for Bulgaria. So this is quite a stage and quite a panel of women that we're talking to today. I actually want to one little sideline. Can everyone make sure their phones are turned off and to put to silent would be great because this is going live to people as well and streaming this. The topic today is the kind of leader the world needs now, what we need today from a leader, and why this conversation is extremely important. We have with us today three incredible women that actually in 2016 ran for Secretary General. And, oops, where's my notes gone? Excuse me. In 2016. facing the barriers that we had then and how things have changed now, if anything's changed now. In 2016, when these three ladies, Helen, Susana and Irina, decided to form this coalition, I want to understand, I'd love to hear their journeys and what brought them all together to form this. And has anything led and the levels of leadership in multilateral system. So, Susana, might I turn this over to you, please?

I'll try to be to the point because the three of us have, I'm sure, many things to contribute. First, clearly, to your question whether things have changed, we are convinced that they should change. We shall see whether we have a Madam Secretary-General in the end. So that will be the proof that things have changed. Because it was not for lack of options in 2016 that a woman was not chosen. We are three here, but there were four more women, seven in total. So it's not that there was not an ample offer of options, but still, none of us were up to the task. We came together after that very, very significant moment where I felt sad, very sad, not because I have lost. Because when you go into this race, you realize that you can win and you can lose. I was very sad because not a single one of the seven women that put their names forward was up to it. And that to me was an incredible proof of how far the world was from recognizing women's leadership. And then we decided, the three of us, met in one of these big gatherings around UNGA, and we decided it was time to do something together to prove that we could compete as we did, but then we could work together. And we founded GWWO, to work on two things. And this was 2017, 2018, the strengthening of multilateralism through the lens of women and women's leadership. And I will say that Seven, eight years later, this is more needed than ever. So here we are. And one of the things we have done in this period is our Madam Secretary General campaign that has put on the fore the notion of having a woman as Secretary General. And hopefully with two leading contenders being women, we are closer this time.

And how did Helen and Irena come to be part of this organization?

Because we were all candidates and we spoke about the experience and decided that there really needed to be a long-term mobilization to change the conversation to promote a woman taking the top spot. Because as Susanna said, the majority of the candidates last time were women, but none of us were ever the top poller. That's one thing that has changed this time, that there's two women who are the top pollers. But I think There's something that happened to another woman candidate this time that also tells us that in some ways a lot hasn't changed. And we have a colleague, Michelle Bachelet, with an incredible backstory, a political prisoner, tortured, in exile, goes home to a country, a minister, twice president, twice head of UN agencies, who polled at the bottom, and in the third ballot, last week got exactly one encourage vote. Now this is the person of all the candidates who had clearly the most leadership experience, too strong. And I think that is still a concern that people shy away from women who are strong. And when you go into a contest like this, you can't pretend to be something you're not. If you're a strong character and frankly, from our generation, you had to be strong to get to the top. It wasn't easy. So how much has changed? Let's see, as Suzanna said, at the moment, two women at the top, but we don't know whether other candidates will be parachuted in, who they might be. Let's see how it plays out. But we continue to argue for a Madam SG. We don't say any woman, but we say there are well-qualified women up for it.

Irina, I want to ask you the same question. What brought you to working on Global Women Leader Voices? What was the attraction to you?

Well, I think it was kind of a natural after this campaign to get together. It was Susanna's initiative, of course, with Helen, we ran it immediately to it. And I would say that for me, the period after these elections, which were, I would say, also quite acrimonial for the same reasons. And many people have come and who said, you know, this will never happen. You saw what the results were here. And there were a lot of kind of discouragement into this. And I thought that precisely because it didn't happen and precisely because we had this experience, And it was not only personal. I totally agree both with Susanne and Helen. Yeah, we lost. Okay. It happens, right? We have been in politics, all of us. We know that you go to elections, you may lose, but this was not the point. The point was that we have to push further. We have to continue working. It doesn't happen, it didn't happen that time, but it should happen next time. And I think this kind of a sense of how to say, It sounds a bit pathetic responsibility, but, you know, kind of an inner drive that we really have to work that one day, as soon as possible, we will see a woman at the health of this organization. As Helen said, not any woman, because it's important that the future Secretary General shares the same values, visions about peace, human rights, inclusivity, human dignity, you know, and all the rest. And the second reason, I think, was that we were, we saw in 2017 that gradually the agenda of women's empowerment started to fall within the cracks of politics of the system. after the enthusiasm of the SDG agenda and then many things that were happening all of a sudden, we saw there were setbacks. And that's why on one side we said we have to work for a woman SG to be there, but also we have to support the UN and gender equality in the center of it. And still, it is a huge challenge for all of us.

Actually, just makes me think of what Helen just said, that this year, this two female are leading right now. Do you think there's been a lot more push and drive this year, especially with talks in Geneva about the topic of having a female Secretary General?

So I think there's been very important voices. I mean, President Lula, you know, president of the largest country in Latin America, has been a very strong voice for this. And when you look at the communique which came out of the BRICS summit recently, the BRICS summit, you have President Xi, you have Prime Minister Modi, you have President Putin, you have very strong world leaders. And they put out a communique saying, noting There has never been a woman Secretary General, noting there has only ever been one from Latin America and the Caribbean. So it's giving a very clear steer, isn't it? So it's not just that women are very interested in this, that we have been promoting it. Very powerful leaders have picked this up.

Let me add to what Helen said. We work all these years to make sure that member states became more conscious of this because in 2016 there was a huge campaign, civil society campaign, one for 7 million and many others, but the political part in our view was not well covered. So we work a lot with member states, among member states, and I will say a couple of years ago there was a resolution on the strengthening of the General Assembly and 82 member states signed on the notion of having a woman particular journal. That creates a different platform, a political platform, from which to build and eventually get to where we want.

I'm going to move on to our next question, actually leading on from this, and it's, what kind of leader does the world need now? know, I'm lying, it's leadership from experience is the next topic that we're going to talk about. And the conversation moves from Secretary General selection process to leadership in practice, which is kind of what we were just addressing just now. And I'd like to ask you guys what effective leadership requires in the face of today's challenges, our interconnected crisis. I'd like to ask you.

Just so extraordinary to be sitting with her excellencies because they were elected in our hearts as women of the world, Irina, Helen, Susanna, even if the final ballot did not come your way, but we celebrate you. We celebrate you. So what we need to do is is the courage that you displayed in 2016, is the courage that is displayed by all women who dare to run for public office. For women, that level of courage to transcend patriarchy at the family level, to tell your family, your community, to say this is what, and many women have to really also face, at times have to face technology facilitated violence, community violence, when they dare to simply be a leader in the world that they need. So courage is important. Affirmation is important. Ability to listen is important. As you and women, every day, just as our gender snapshot report showed, every day, The story is not becoming a better story in terms of the lived realities of women in conflict countries, the Afghan women and the ban that we know, the stories of women in the Sudan, those who are experiencing risk on climate issues, the small island states continue to talk about existential challenges of climate. We need a leader today who connects with the realities in the different regions and in a way that also understands that power is shared. Power is not just positional power. Power is also the teams that we have, the knowledge that we gather. And for us as UN women, that is why the member states adopted a decision on gender parity. And that decision on gender parity was clear that the world is shortchanging itself by not having women in decision making. So we are very clear that parity is not only to be achieved in our villages, in the water committees, the local school committees. It's not just in local government. The Secretary General spoke and celebrated gender parity in the UN at professional level. And we also issue, the Secretary General issues a report each year. And as we have just heard, each year, every year, we continue to say there's still, have still not had an opportunity to say good morning, Madam Secretary General, because the official data of the UN is official SDG data is showing that we have not yet said good morning, Madam Secretary General. I also just want to take the opportunity to appreciate that we have had five female presidents of the General Assembly, and Annalena Baerbock has been our recent, and we want to thank. But ultimately, leadership that understands that leadership is transformational.

I was going to actually, Aguchi, I'd love to understand and hear from you as well what you think about leadership requires today.

So first of all, and building on what my sister Enyia Radzi has said, it's not just an honor to be on this panel with such dynamic and impressive women. But where we are today is because of the courage that you had when you stood. Women who dream to dare and turn that dream into reality. And where we are today and the broad-based support for a female Secretary-General is because of the experience that you all shared with us and gave us. And so I want to say thank you. And I think we can start off with a very simple premise that dealing with the global challenges the world has right now, the interconnectedness of crises, no one leader, no one institution, no one country can solve these challenges alone. And I see this every day in my work on migration, conflict, climate change, inequality, displacement are all connecting to create crises. Leadership is the ability to see those connections, to act before the consequences deepen, but most important of all, to bring others with you. There have been many definitions of leadership, but one I particularly like is a leader is anyone who has followers. For you to as a leader to have the trust that people follow you. You can bring them to the table as a leader. Authority will will get you. Um get you in the door. Your title will get you in the door. But being able to bring others with you comes from comes from trust. And it's critical that a leader, the our next female secretary general. is going to be able to build that trust.

And actually I think that's something Susanna has done with DW Voices is paying it forward and bringing people with you. And there's two young people to my left here that I think are part of that and where you've championed younger voices and that's Jacas Samuel and Jen Hernandez. love to hear from you guys, what the next generation, like what do you see as the biggest challenges facing the UN? When I was doing research on this, one word that kept coming up again and again and again was the word trust. And how do the young generation trust the UN and trust to do right for the next couple of years, whoever that leader is, male or female. So, Jen, I'd love to hear from you.

Can you hear me? Oh, great. Hi, everyone. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you to this esteemed panel and to GWL Voices for giving me this opportunity. It's crazy because a year ago, I was doing research on every one of these women, and I never thought that I would be sitting here today. But to your question about trust, I think young people are losing hope in the future, in the UN and international organizations. For the UN to find trust and to build that trust within young people, they need to prove what they can bring from the international level down to the local level. I mean, as our speakers have said, they're facing crises from migration, climate change, digital literacy, AI. How can the next UN Secretary General ensure that what comes from the top comes down to the bottom? As we said during Peacebuilding Week, we are so focused on local actors. How can we bring resources, financial resources, capacity building, and a decision-making power within local actors to remember why the UN was created in the first place?

Casta, I'd love to ask you the same question. What are you expecting in a leadership role?

Good afternoon. I initially would like to say that I'm very, very happy to be here, and just the fact that me and Jen are seated here is the first step for us to gain the trust that we're looking for. Because one thing is to be at the side of the table doing researches, and the other thing is to actually be here, be at the seat. It means that we belong here. It means that our voices are being heard. It means that there's some people who are actually saying that these generations are not supposed to not to be in the table. give them a seat at the table. And better than that, they're being our backbone, sharing experiences, sharing mindset, and opening doors for us to be here.

So that's what GWL Voice is doing. And there's that trust in them to you, which I think needs to happen more.

Exactly, exactly. And this answers to a question that me and Jen were discussing before about what are you willing to do to see the change? And this is what we see that the doors are being opened. This is what we are willing to do. to be the change.

I think our next question is to both of you again, actually, staying on this, it's the Her Turn Decalogue. I'd love to understand more and for our audience to understand more about this. Jen, do you want to kick that off of explaining?

I do, I actually have it right in front of me. You guys can find it on gwlvoices.com. We spent a day and a half in Geneva, about 30 of us discussing all from different parts of the world. What do we want the next UN Secretary General to really think about? And the largest theme that we kept going back to was accountability. Accountability of our institutions, of member states, that if international law or the UN Charter is not followed, where's the accountability mechanism to make sure that they are brought to justice? People are suffering, and I mean, everyone knows that. So then how do we solve the crises in this world and bring up the pillar of human rights? There's about 10, but two of which I want to really focus on is the accountability of non-state actors, the private sector, and strengthening meaningful participation in civil society. Civil society has done so much work and continues to face the crises head on. How do we give them the resources and the financial power to be able to make change happen? And I mean, I don't have any of the her turn repertoires here with me today, but If it was not for everyone bringing their perspectives, this would not have been possible.

Jacasta, same to you.

And about the work on Decalog, I am truly amazed that this exists because it brings in one document everything that we've been talking and sharing. And there's three actually major points that resonates a lot with what I've been thinking about the future of multilateralism. That is point three, that is promote reform of the United Nations Security Council, because the current situation implies that whoever pays most creates the agenda. So the next Secretary General, we are hoping that she brings to the table the evidence of what a real good solution can be, not just the other side of it. And to strive to context specific and accountable environmental leadership. We have a very big world, I mean, seven continents. We have different contexts. So it's very important that this accountability is there. It's very important to hear the local led movements and how they transitioning to national policies and now these national policies are translating to multilateralism system. And the inclusive representation, I think I don't have to say much, we are here and seeing it.

Can you tell me about your academy that you explained as well? Because I'd love to hear a tiny bit about that, the Girl Move Academy.

Yes, yes. And actually, we are in a point to strive to context specific because we are an academy, or now we are building a movement with over 300 girls from Mozambique. And Our vision is actually to use three streams of work, innovation and solution, research-based evidence, and advocacy and influence of public policy. So we have divided in clusters throughout the 300 girls. And we decided that we cannot just go to the table without something that is solid. So we focused on the education cluster, and we developed an in-school mentorship program. So throughout the 2025 year, we were making a RCT in the province called Beta in Mozambique, and we had 60 schools and we implemented this solution and we had like. 100 percentages of kids transition from one class to another. We wanted to put also this change maker skills on agency in the kids. So we kind of created a system where the ninth grade kids would mentor in the sixth grades and the ninth grades would actually get the mentorship from us. We did that. That's amazing. We did already finish the school. And after we saw the solution and we saw that it works, We developed, we translated to the Ministry of Education and now is being implemented with the ministry throughout over 100 schools across Nampula. There is other province in the northern of Mozambique and also Beira. So we are looking forward to expand and understand how this transition from a local led movement to a national policy can actually become an agenda and a solution to what the world needs.

That's so impressive. And it just, like looking along this panel, we're all different age groups and it's all kind of connected and paying it forward. And you look very proud then as she was talking.

Definitely. You know, we are as GWL Voices, we are more than 80 senior leaders from the system at large, not only the UN, the IFIs, some of the regional organizations, But we are very conscious that we need to stay connected with the young generation. And that's why we have our her trend and we do all the work we do with young women. And not only young women, I will say, young men also. Here it is critical that talking, going back to the point of leadership, and whoever leads the United Nations realizes that not all the answers are within her realm and within the United Nations realm, that we create an ecosystem of cooperation where the different players do their part, be that in peace and security, be that in development, be that in human rights, because the UN cannot do everything and should not do everything. Being able as a leader to bring people together, as Sibel said, not only to open the door, but to bring people with you. And bringing young people with you is fundamental because to shape the future, you cannot shape it from the past. You need to shape it from the vision that they want to have. Somebody very, very smart, and Helen made reference to her, Michelle Bachelet said in the debate, in Geneva where we were all together, she said, not only young people need to be sitting at the table, they want to shape the table. And that's exactly what we want to do.

I think it's gone beyond just sitting at the table now. I think more needs to happen. And knowing how you guys support younger voices especially, and you've become kind of mentors to people, especially young women. Aguchi, do you want to comment on what to Cast and Jen were talking about, about leadership.

No, absolutely. Because I'm a very, very firm believer, and this has been throughout my career, that leadership requires the courage to share that space and to bring in the diversity of people that are needed for the issue that you're working on, right? Because a leader doesn't have to have all the answers. The leader has to be able to bring, convene those that do have the answers. And what I have always tried to do, because I remember when I was, it's not that long ago, it's long ago, not that long ago, but I remember when I was like Jen and Joe Cass and I didn't have that support. And so I devote a lot of my, oops, I devote a lot of my time now to doing that personally, but more so in our work. So if we take, for example, because I'm looking across and I can see Turkey, where the world unites for climate, we have deliberately, for the last five COPs, supported young people to be part of the member states' delegations, for young people to be part of the negotiations. for young people's voice. So it's not just about representation. Representation tells you who's in the room. It doesn't tell you who's included or who is influencing. So we really want young people because they're the ones that are going to live with the decisions, right? So we've been very intentional and deliberate and ensuring that our support has enabled young people to be part of delegations of their of their member states at the go for it.

You're going.

Yes, I am. Yes, I am. And really to connect with that great reflection. We say the Secretary General is to uphold the charter. The charter starts with we, the people. It doesn't say age. It doesn't say color of the skin. It doesn't say your gender. It's we the people. And at UN Women, we're saying it's for all women and girls. One of the things that has been very real in our everyday work, including my own life growing up in my little village in Zimbabwe during the war, is to understand that there is poverty that we read about. There's poverty that we see. But there's also poverty which some of us felt in our skin when you have your first period without even having a decent underwear. So the we, we the people, requires a very good understanding that the realities of the young girls I met in the Rohingya refugee camp in Bangladesh with twins and she was barely 15 years old. She has dreams. She also wants to be a leader. But also the power and the experience of the young minister of Nepal, barely 30, or the minister of youth of Botswana, whom I met yesterday, who is really just in her 20s. So understanding that the reality of young women, of young people, is also very diverse, including those with disability like me, just having to navigate the General Assembly ecosystem here on my wheelchair. And I'm like, how would a young leader coming to have a voice in this UN General Assembly on her wheelchair alone without support be able to be in the space to influence. So we are also looking at leadership that understands, that understands the realities of people across regions, communities, but also leadership that unleashes the power, unleashes the experience, the knowledge of women. It's beyond empowerment, but unleashing the power that exists, because that's what we need today.

Irina, I'd love to bring you in on this conversation as well.

Yeah, I'm very inspired by, first, of course, the young women here and everything that our friends have shared. I think we need empathy. I think we need a sense of our humanity. And sometimes when I look this world where, of course, we have technology, we have advances, we doubt about the future, we see conflict, displacements, wars, everything that is there. And I was just reading, I think it was in New York Times, a photo of a mother with a dying child in Somalia. And the title was, we live in an age of indifference. And I think this really is a tragedy for our world. And here is what United Nations and leadership can do enormously in order to wake up the consciousness and to bring us to our human senses, to our humanity. Because indeed, it's about with the people. And United Nations has done enormously and still continues to do in the most difficult of the places. But I think that nowadays it kind of goes aside. We are looking at some, you know, of other more technical problems or the big problems and we forget the human side of it. And this is where I think the new leadership can bring this once again to the forefront, you know, the tool remind us about UN and what we are. And one, one point, because there was a lot of talk here and I was thinking that, Unfortunately, we, you and I know you and women and others are working a lot on that, but we have once again to put into the center of development the girl child. And this has been put aside a little bit for different reasons. And this was one of the big achievements of the Beijing Platform and Plan of Action for the first time 30 years ago or more, to put the girl child into the center of development. And I think once again, we have to go back and to look at that, because this is where the true development will happen in societies, inclusiveness, justice, human dignity and everything. So there are plenty of things that I hope the further Madam Secretary General can do, but not least also about putting this type of empathy, solidarity, ethics, when we speak about artificial intelligence or climate on the others.

That makes me listening to you all speak. Empathy, being humane and empathetic, I think is very important. But also, I know hope is very important. And this was a word that Susanna, you were mentioning quite a lot recently that not to lose hope, especially the younger generation, because here we are sitting here now today talking about everything. And as Helen was saying, that there are the two leaderships are females this time. And what gives you hope then, Helen, with all of this?

I was on a panel yesterday where someone quoted Archbishop Tutu, and he was once asked, are you an optimist? And he said, "No, no, no, not an optimist." He said, "I am a prisoner of hope." So we're all prisoners of hope, right? I mean, look, times aren't great. By the way, they're not the worst humanity's ever known. It's known worse. And the difference between bad times of the past and now is that we do have the technology, the knowledge, the wealth to actually address the problems if we have the political will. So I think what keeps everyone going is the knowledge that The problems may be of long duration, but they are solvable. And you need to bring the best minds across generations and regions and gender to do that. I've been thinking a little bit, listening to our younger colleagues, about the meaningful youth engagement issue, because tokenistic doesn't do it, right? And how could the UN do that more meaningfully? For example, has the General Assembly ever passed a resolution that says every delegation to the high-level week should have youth representatives in it? Some countries do it as a matter of course, most don't. And then you could actually run a parallel youth General Assembly along the side as well. So I think we need to look for ways that young people can come to the center of decision-making here and of course at home and really a big shout out to our sister on people with disabilities. We saw you there trying to get across that road. It's bad enough if you got, you know, able-bodied and can walk across. It was a nightmare. There's no consideration really and that's not good enough. The UN has to stand for inclusion for everyone being able to act And after all these years, they still haven't got the traffic control right. So it's a worry. But just on the characteristics for leadership, Irina mentioned empathy, which is critical. The next leader of the UN has to have courage because the issues are tough, particularly peace and security, where the UN is failing particularly. And the Secretary General is going to have to take some risks for peace, and they may not come off. They may end up looking embarrassed, but you have to try because the level of conflict around our world is very, very high at the moment and it's taking a toll on women, children, men in so many places. That's the big thing. Next leader has to be able to communicate. The next leader has to be seen to rely on sound advice, science, judgment. So we have high expectations, but I think a point that also unites global women leaders is that a strong woman Secretary-General would be transformative for the organization and would get people looking at it in a new light.

I think a fresh light. I think change is needed, for sure. And just listening to all of you guys here, I think one thing as well with GWR Voices, young people know when things are authentic and transparent or it's BS. and they won't engage. And that's why you have these two on the end here being part of this because they see a future, a bright future, I hope, and hopeful, I think, to work towards all these challenges that are facing your younger generation. We have two and a half minutes left. Does anybody want to add?

I want to add something. First, it's great to be here. I mean, it's just reassuring. You spoke about hope. If there is something that the people who are attacking cooperation, multilateralism, coming together, wants, is that we do not have hope. That this is absolutely impossible to change, that we are convinced that this is the end of it. We cannot let that happen. There are many things that can be done and should be done as it's imperfect as the system is, is desperately needed. And the new leader needs to lift that notion of possibility.

Yes, she does.

For us and for the young generations, for all of us. And in lifting that sense of possibility, really win over the ones who are saying, this is totally hopeless because it's not true. But if we are persuaded that it is hopeless, then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. That's why we need somebody with a vision, with the sense of duty to go beyond what is reasonable. We should not expect miracles, but we should expect somebody who is ready to fail. Because if you are ready to fail, you are ready to try. And the last thing that the UN cannot do is not trying. And that's exactly what we need.

Brilliant. If I can. Thank you. Yes, please, go ahead. One minute, 58 seconds you've got.

58 seconds. Courage for uncomfortable but crucial conversations. Military expenditure in trillions, kids cannot go to school. It's not that the world has no money, it's just that the prioritization is different. Africa is filthy rich from Cape to Cairo, and we talk about poverty in Africa. So the shift in the discussion with the member states is critical. Accountability. The world is baskets and baskets and baskets and baskets of commitments and agreements, resourcing and implementing. for equality, for human rights, for peace and for positive.

I just wanna let Aguchi jump in as well, 'cause we're gonna run out of time soon and you, Sijib.

Just super quick, 'cause I wanted to build on what Helen had said. The world has never known the wealth, the knowledge, the technology to solve the problems, its commitment. The new, the next Secretary General needs to focus on peace. Thank you. The Charter is a shield. The Charter is a sword. Needs the courage and humility to lead the world to peace.

Thank you. We're out of time. I hope you all really enjoyed this as much as I do. What an absolute honor and privilege. Thank you so much for everybody for your time. Thank you.